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Okay? In real life, guys, you wouldn't believe that she came up with this amazing concept called Christian women in The UK. I feel slightly insulted here, but hey. Here we are. With the nail polish queen.
Let's see what color nail polish she's got today. I got hot pink, please. No. It's not hot pink, actually. It's Hot pink.
It's it's my my kids can't decide if it's violet or magenta. Wow. Okay. This this this spectra of colors are too much for me. Okay.
So let's just say she's somewhere between Violet and Magenta. Yeah. She's she's in the pink zone anyway. Okay? She's a pink lady today.
So and we've got the lovely Sharon and you've muted yourself, Gom. Oh. There we go. You're back. Oh, no.
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But back to what we're really doing today, guys. We discuss topics in the bible. Right? And we just talk about it from our ordinary person's point of view. We're theologians.
The Holy Spirit with is with us. We're really that smart. So today, we are going to be talking about what are we talking about? So we're going to be carrying on with our series called women in the Bible. We're working our way through a study guide.
If you want to find out what it is or where you can get one, feel free to drop us an email, and I can send you a link. I think you could pick it up quite cheaply secondhand on eBay if you're interested. But it's sort of an an alphabetical, study of women in the Bible, and we've worked our way up to j. So now we're on Job's wife. So we've done the, you know, the sort of the big hitters, the Abigail's, the Jezebels, the Deborah's, the Delilah's.
So if you've missed all of that, you can catch up Yeah. On the on the podcast. But, as as we aptly call her missus Jobe, so we're Yes. We're down to missus Jobe today. So, Yeah.
Yeah. Yes. So I think, Sidonie, if you can read for us, it is joke. And then as you know, the the format of this lady says we usually read about the person, and then we have a discussion of what we've read, and that will sometimes involves bringing bringing up other bible, references. So let's go.
And by the way, this is Sidonis, her audition for her voice job. Okay? Let's go. Right. So, if you've got the study guide, it's page one zero four.
Job's wife's scripture references, she's in Job chapter two verses nine and ten. So it starts up with her role in scripture. Job and his wife probably lived in the age of the patriarchs around February. They almost surely did not live during the ages of kings. For in the entire book of Job, there is no mention of the Mosaic Law and no reference to the Jewish people.
To fix the dates for the timeless story of Job and the struggle to understand why bad things happen to good people is unnecessary. Job's wife had a small role in his story and in the book. She's mentioned only after Job had lost his wealth and his children and had been stricken with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. That's in Job chapter two verse seven. As Job sat in ashes, exhausted and in pain, his wife spoke, Do you still hold fast to your integrity?
Curse God and die. But he said to her, you speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God? And shall we not accept adversity? That's Job chapter two verse nine and ten.
It would be easy to misunderstand these verses and criticize Job's wife. Job did not suggest that she is one of the foolish women. In Hebrew, the word translated foolish here doesn't indicate a lack of sense. Rather, foolish is a moral term. Job's wife is not morally deficient.
But in giving this advice, she speaks as, in quote, a foolish woman might. What we see here is a wife who was being torn apart by her husband's suffering. She saw the tension in his body. She heard the moans that escaped his lips when he supposed no one was listening. At last, she cried out in her own anguish, urging him to give up and die.
Anything seemed better to her than to see him suffering, even death. But Job wouldn't listen to his wife. He was convinced that suffering and joy are both gifts distributed by God. Outwardly, at least, Job welcomed suffering until God's purpose in giving it had been achieved. It's easy to admire Job, and it should be just as easy for us to understand and to sympathize with the feelings expressed by Job's wife.
How much easier it seems at times to suffer ourselves than to see a loved one in pain. Love undoubtedly moved Job's wife to release him by her words. Even though she would be left a penniless widow, at least Job's suffering would end. But Job did not die. In the end, Job's health and wealth were restored, and Job and his wife shared the joy, bringing a new family into the world.
An example for today, Job's wife was quite human, and she displayed a natural response to human suffering. But Job's response was godly and showed spiritual depth. We need to check our reactions for they may well be carnal rather than spiritual. Job's wife's advice shows that she was truly moved by his suffering. What a tragedy it would have been if Job had listened to her and given up on life.
What blessings Job would have missed if he had not waited on God. Wow. Thank you very much for that, Sidonie. So what's a story? So first impression, Sidonie, what do you think after reading this, short analysis of missus Job?
I think she she she's quite human, isn't it? Like this like the the study the book says, it's it humanizes her, and it almost kinda Not. It gives her so I suppose it's this whole thing of I think in in the story of Job, we see we see two extremes, don't we? We see good. We see evil.
We see health and wealth, and we see destruction and sickness. We see suffering and pain, but then we also see restoration. And I think we also here, we see humanity, but we also see spirituality. Like, we see, like, the failing of our human flesh, but we also see the strength of our of our spirit if we were to lean in in lean and depend on God. So it's it's maybe given her, like, a a humanity that I probably had never really ascribed to her before.
You know what? I think so. I thought the same I thought. This is, I don't know, most sympathetic portrayals of Job's wife. The most understanding, I think, because, historically, she's always portrayed as this villain.
Right? This woman who would, like, you know, just wants this thing to end, and it's almost as if she's doing it for her convenience. But I have to say that there are, you know, issues ever spoken to somebody who's had a family member who's suffering with a serious illness, especially something like cancer. Mhmm. It's quite painful to watch them every week.
And you know what? There are times when people I I mean, you're an Afro African Cameroon. You know what they say sometimes when somebody dies. If they've been sick for a long time, people will say it's better for them to go and rest. Right?
So for the first time in my life, you're right, I'm think I'm looking at missus' job completely differently. I'm actually looking at her now with sympathy. And I like what the the writer says here. He says, you know, it's easy for you to add admire people when they're going through suffering. But, you know, living through that you know, if you were Job's wife, what would you have done?
Sometimes we don't look at it like that. I love I really love how how humanly she's portrayed here. Mhmm. And I think I really break it down. You kind of introduced the themes.
And when you talked about, you know, Job is they say here that he lived in the era of the patriarch. So I think some bible scholars say that the book of Job is older than Genesis. Right? Mhmm. Yes.
Yeah. So Apparently, it's, like, maybe the first book even. But I love I don't know whether you think about it. It's such a dramatic quality to Job. Right?
Mhmm. Every time I read Job, I kind of imagine it like a Shakespearean play. It would be an amazing production. And I just look at, like, the things that you said. Every element of a good drama is in Job.
You know, just these two extreme. Right? This man who starts off really amazing. And then, you know, next thing you know, he's in in this really wanting poverty. And I think it's it's I'd love the fact that Job says, you know, if we accept blessings from God, when we accept adversity, I wanna talk about that a little bit.
Because, you know, there is a church tradition and we know that people say, you know, suffering isn't from God. Right? And I've heard people say that, you know, in Job's time, people didn't really understand God like that. They just thought, you know, good and they just thought God was also capable of bringing evil your way. So, what do you think of that?
I think this side of heaven concept of the devil? Yeah. I think this side of heaven suffering is real. I think this side of heaven, we can't escape it. I don't, you know, I don't I don't think Jesus doesn't you know, when he says, you know, he's going, but he's gonna send us someone that's even greater who's gonna be with us.
I think he recognizes. And to to me, anyway, that implies that he recognizes the need for a comforter. He recognizes the fact that we are going to need someone who is even greater than him in this life. If Mhmm. If we didn't need that, if this was going to be an easy plain sailing journey and there was no need for such a companion as the Holy Spirit, Jesus wouldn't promise us that.
So I think Oh my goodness. There's an implication there that you are going to go through suffering, but I'll be with you to reap that suffering. Yeah. That's so true. And I don't really thought about it like that because why would you need a comforter?
Alright? If if there's nothing to comfort you from gonna have to go down for you to need a comforter. Like, yeah, something has to go wrong. You have to feel a particular way, right, for you to, you know, need a comforter. And I really like what you said, Destiny.
I almost feel like we need to stick a pin on it. Right? And really understand the role of the holy spirit. He's you know, we all say, oh, yes. He's our comforter.
When we feel bad, we cry. But he's there exactly for that reason. He's the provision for the suffering that we are going to go into. And for me, what I take away from that is that if I'm really going through something, I need to be turning to the holy spirit and be like, you know, you're supposed to be my comfort. Give me grace.
He did. Help me now. Give me strength. And he will. He will.
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Right? Because he's our helper, but I really, really like what you said.
And that's that's such a great takeaway. And I think Sharon said something here. Sharon says, I don't believe God brings suffering. However, he allows it so he can bring good out of it. That's so true because Yeah.
You know, we we we speak about God being the giver of all good things and the giver of all good good gifts. Yeah. However, he allows it. But also, there's another dimension to this because sometimes God will allow us to go through things that are particularly not pleasant to discipline us. Mhmm.
Yeah. And and sometimes as well, things happen that are not pleasant, not because of God or the devil, but just because we've made foolish choices. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think and this is something that I think we need to really be more accountable for.
I think sometimes as human beings, we don't like that accountability. But sometimes, it's our own foolishness. And I know it's not always easy to really sit introspectively and say, okay. I found myself in this situation because maybe I didn't manage my money very well, and now I'm in debt. You know, I'm trying to look for, like, things that are everyday things to us.
Right? Mhmm. I remember being very young and, you know, it even embarrasses me to say it. Buying shoes with my credit card. Like, with that API, what on earth was I thinking?
Right? But it's a stupid thing to do when you're 21 years old. And so can you imagine me now, right, finding myself in huge debt and trying to say, oh, the devil attacked my finances? No. Those were just my foolish decisions.
Right? And so sometimes when you find yourself now paying back something at a high interest rate or maybe, you know, some man has broken your heart when you could see from day one that he was bad news, you know, it is you know, God says worship him in spirit and truth. It takes it takes true to fullness. Yourself. To yes.
You have to be true. And, you know, somebody said something to me recently. Like, she said, God would deal with the real version of you. God will not deal with the version of you that you present to him. And I think sometimes you even need courage to face your mistakes.
And sometimes it's okay to say to the holy spirit, please you need to come here. He told my aunt. This is what even I can't face it. Mhmm. So yes.
I think we should. You're very right, Sharon. The the beautiful thing, if you can say that about suffering, is that suffering can build character. Oh, yes. If you really if you really face it.
Right? If you if you really sit with it and you seek help from the Holy Spirit and the right people, and it's very hard. You may wanna run away from it. But if you sit with it Mhmm. And you go through it, you you follow the steps that God directs you to take.
By the end of it, trust me, you've come out a much better person. You look at maybe I've just thought of someone like Joseph. Right? All those years being a slave in Egypt, you know, coming from being your that's favorite child. Like, can you imagine the shock for Joseph?
It's like being removed from a nice warm pool into ice cold water. Mhmm. You know? One minute you are prince in your dad's house. Next minute, you're a servant somewhere.
And then it it gets worse. You go to prison. Right? But just think of the way he treats his brothers at the end. That experience must have taught him something.
Joseph was like a completely different person. Person. When he met his brothers, he was empathetic. He was forgiving. Mhmm.
She was very giving. It it wasn't you know, like, in the beginning, Joseph was this little selfish kid. Right? It's all about me, check me out in my nice coats of many colors. Worship me.
Tell him the more brothers and everything. Right? But when when they come back and they reconcile, like, he complete it's more about his family. He's trying to get favor for them with Pharaoh. It he just flips around.
And there is no way you can't say that what he went through those years in Egypt didn't change his character. Perhaps Mhmm. He got to see real suffering and see other people, and he learned to, you know, be diligent, be be kind to people. So you're absolutely right, Sharon. I think, like you said, Sidonie, God is a disciplinarian, right, to those he loves.
Mhmm. And God is a father. And, I mean, even you, Sidonie, as a parent, I can say this because I know sometimes you will challenge your children. Right? You will let them do some.
And the average child is just like, what is this? Why is this woman doing this to me? But it's important. And I want you to speak a little bit more about that for parents here. Why is it good to let our children sometimes, you know, scale challenges rather than just jumping there and rescue them?
I think this is, you know, Romans five actually is a really good verse. But so verse three, I think, all the way to verse five. So five verse three to five. It says not only so but we also glory in our sufferings. Because we know that suffering produces perseverance.
Perseverance, character. And character hope. And hope does not put us to shame. Because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. And I think there's something about perseverance that builds character.
And even in, like, in in little children, you can you can see that character building. If you let them just keep persevering and, again, it's that thing. If you're gonna make it you're gonna make it fit the age phase and development of the child. But you've gotta also make it that much harder each time that it's just out of reach, but it's attainable. And I think God doesn't ask us to do the impossible.
When he asks us to rely on him a %, it's not impossible. Yeah. And God asks us to follow his ways and follow his commands. It's not an impossible task. He knows it's possible, but he also knows it's hard.
He also knows that the only way we can really and truly follow him is if we lean into the holy spirit. And so he gives us that that holy spirit as as an as a helper, as a comforter to help us to follow him fully. And I think, you know, that produces character. Because when we stumble and we're able to pick ourselves up, we kind of we hope it builds hope as well because you kinda hope that the next time you fall, you're not on your own. You know that the next time you fall, you will set back up because the Holy Spirit's there.
And so when you fall and and you kinda think back on where you've come from, almost like, you know, you're on this journey and you think back and go, hang on a minute. I've fallen so many times along the way. But every single time I've been able to pick myself up, and that produces that in itself produces that character of I can do this. I can get up and go. And and and that also strengthens hope.
I heard somebody, a sermon where somebody said faith and hope are almost like a muscle that needs exercising. And so the more you exercise it, the the stronger the muscle becomes and say, the more you build hope, the more hope you have, the more you exercise faith, the more faith you have. And so I think if if we I like that. The more suffering we go through, and I don't wanna use the word righteous suffering because that sounds horrible. But the the more suffering you go through, the more you learn to depend on God.
And and how many times have you met people who are either suffering from chronic illness or they're in so much pain. But when you talk to them, they have so much hope and joy, and you're like, hang on a minute. You could barely get out of your How do you do this? How are you so hopeful and excited for the day ahead? Like, I know you're in pain because I can see how many pills you need.
You know? I can see how many so true. Medication you need just to keep going each day. How are you so full of hope and life? And I think this is and and this probably sounds even almost counterintuitive.
But sometimes the more you suffer, the more you learn to to depend on God. The the the the harder you're suffering, you you kinda you you become more aware of your own mortality and your own weakness. And so when you're weak, then Christ is made strong. And so it's not then you doing it. It's not you putting one foot in front of the other.
As we like to say over here in in Britain, you know, just stiff up a lift, put one foot ahead of the in front of the other, and you keep going. It's not you. You become more aware of the fact that it's the Christ in you that's enabling you to do that. And so I think when you suffer and you and you suffer right, there's a joy that comes with that. There's a hope that comes with that.
And and that in itself produces perseverance. But also, there's, like, a kind of fearlessness that comes with it because you're kinda like, if I die, I'm going to heaven. If I'm here, I'm with Christ. Like, he's with me wherever I am. And so, like, you know, I speak to some people sometimes, and this particular lady, she messaged me, and she's got cancer in the group.
And and her husband's also been just been diagnosed with stage four cancer. And she said to me, she's she said, I'm so happy. She said, 'because I know either way is a win win.' She said, 'if I stay here, Christ is with me. If we die, we're both going to be with Christ.' And she said, 'either way, it's a win win for me.' And I'd never really thought about it. Like, I just thought, how can you even how can this even be a like, how can this be a win win situation?
Like, you're both going through a potentially terminal disease, but because of the hope you have in Christ, you're suffering through this well. Not to say it's not painful, because I'm sure there are days where, you know, the chemotherapy and things take take effect, but they were able to suffer through it so well because they have hope and they're able to persevere, and that's able to build their character. So I think there's there's a dependence on God that suffering brings. That sometimes unless you've been in the valley, and you've walked through the valley of the shadow of death, you you would know that you fear no evil because you know that god is with you and his god and his staff will comfort you, and that is a real promise. But I think, you know, speaking about Job's wife, there's a she she speaks out of love, and I never considered that.
I know sometimes we're like, oh, she's telling she's telling Timothy to to disobey God. And sometimes with our Pharisee hats on and our over religious hats on, you know, trying to analyze her from a moral, religious point of view. And this is this is for me as well. I've I'm a % convicted that I've read this today because, you know, I've I've been judging this woman For me too. Perhaps unfairly all my life.
All my life. I have. I have to say. I have to apologize. I have to apologize to missus Dope when I meet her.
Yes. Exactly. I know and this is why it's good to read translations and things. You know? But that I don't think I'd ever I don't think I'd ever considered that.
You know? Like like you said, when you when you have a loved one who's or even a child who's poorly or a loved one, and and you go Yeah. I could really just take your place. Like, if I could to go. Yeah.
Like, if I could take your place, I would. Or, you know, you you're you're so moved by their suffering that you say things to comfort them that necessarily might not be glorifying to God in that moment. And this is a is a typical example of how sometimes in our efforts to be kind and to comfort loved ones, we can sometimes say things that aren't particularly glorifying to God. And maybe there's also a warning here to say, when you're seeking to comfort people, just be mindful of the kind of advice that you're giving them, lest they act on it. Obviously, Job didn't act on it in this instance.
But maybe there's a there's a warning here for us as Christians to say, when you see a loved one going through pain and suffering that is is oftentimes intolerable, be mindful of the words of comfort that you're giving them, lest they act on it. Because if Job had acted on what his wife had said, it wouldn't be the story we're reading today. Yeah. They would have ended up in hell. Yeah.
It would have been an absolute just need to be well, for me, anyway, I'm thinking Yes. You know, when I when I come across people who are suffering and, you know, the the human thing is to wanna offer them words of comfort. Mhmm. But in doing that, just be mindful of the words that you're speaking. Just make sure that whatever you're speaking isn't something that if they should act on it, would be detrimental to their soul.
Just because you want to alleviate their their pain and their suffering. Mhmm. But missus is she's a she's a I mean, she had every right. This woman had seen her children dying one day. Yeah.
Oh, no. She I mean, you know what? Even if missus Job spoke out of anger. Right? I would still stand because do you know what it means to her?
Children ripped away in such a dramatic fashion one after the other? You know, the wealth that, you know, you'd probably helped your husband build. Everything's taken away from you. I think missus Jo, you know, has every right to feel a spectrum of emotions here. And even if she was speaking out of anger, that's understandable because Mhmm.
I think forget that as humans, we have all this range of emotions. Right? I mean, you'd see even Jesus. Okay. Jesus did not defy God.
But you see Jesus in the garden being like, fuck. Do I really have to do this? You know, and I bet you, if it was somebody else other than Jesus, many Christians would have been saying something about that. You know, but because it's Jesus, we're not going to, you know, we don't wanna rock the boat on that one. But I think, you know, the Holy Spirit is such an intentional author.
I I think that's part is put there deliberately to make you see that sometimes, dude, you're just human and you're gonna be weak. You're gonna wanna lose it. You I mean, you're going to lose it frankly sometimes, right? You hear these stories when you hear people's testimonies, some people will say, you know, I stopped believing in God when I prayed for my mom to get healed from cancer and she didn't get healed. I was angry with God, I stopped believing, right?
Mhmm. And for many many years, they will go, they will become an atheist, and they'll do whatever they like. And then eventually, they get this, you know, something happens. Right? And then they begin to inch their way back to God.
So I think that I I feel like God is is more understanding sometimes of our weaknesses than we think. I think I think he is. And I think he makes provision for that. I think, obviously, you know, like it says in the bible, in your anger, do not sin. I think we just need to be mindful that in our anger, we do not, insult the Holy Spirit.
We do not sin against god the father. Mhmm. But I think god is, you know, god is understanding of that myriad of of emotions. You know, we see it from Jesus in the garden in Gethsemane to to Job. And we see different reactions to obedience to God.
You know, we have Abraham's reaction to obedience. And even Abraham, sometimes he does some really dodgy things, you know. He says his wife and sister and he offers a character. Right? Sleep with, you know You know what?
I think from from the minute God this is just my imagination. Right? From the minute God created humanity, I was like, I see these flaws already. What am I gonna do? I've created them, and they're so beautiful.
I'm just gonna have to put up with this. You have to put up with this. Because I think the Bible is there to to show us that it's okay. It's okay to feel what we're feeling. Mhmm.
But ultimately, we need to trust in God. We need to trust in his sovereign plan for us. We need to trust in his goodness. And because of of how sometimes myopic our view is and we can be so microscopic in in in how we we look at things and we look at life, we can be tempted to just think, you know, God doesn't care because I'm suffering so badly. But I think Missus Job may have been in that situation.
But what I really like here is that representation of God in this because he corrects his wife. Right? He says to her, you know, don't speak like foolish women. You know? If we accept good things from God, why can't we also accept adversity?
And it's almost like God saying to you, you know, as Jesus said, in this life, there will be troubles. Right? Mhmm. And and then there is this he doesn't reject her. He doesn't really tell her off.
And then we see that when the story changes, you know, and everything becomes good and nice again, do you know he's he's living this good life with his wife. Right? So it's him and her again. He still trusts her to move into this future. He has more children with the same woman.
Right? Other men would have been like, you know, when I was down, you didn't wanna know me. Forget it. That's also a testament to her because she stuck with him. She could have left.
She could have left. I mean, we're in a society and a culture now that people would leave you. It's for, you know, for better to stay, for worse to go. And we're we're in a culture where if this were happening to somebody, you know, and their wife wasn't perhaps as steadfast or as faithful as she should be, she would divorce him the next minute. She'll be like, mate, when I met you, you were a millionaire, now you're done in And what's what's this?
You know? What's I need an an an Odogo as West African girls are saying these days. Like, you're an Odogo when I met you. What's this? You know, this is not the life I've gained.
And you're absolutely right. And I think that's a testament to her love again because, you know, in analyzing missus Job, I think there's this fixation so much on what she says, curse God and die, where people think she just wants to get rid of him. But this woman doesn't leave, like you said. And even though Job's friends come and they're like, Job, are you sure you didn't do something? She never blames Job.
Right? No. If anything, she just wants the whole situation to be over with. And like you said, if she really wanted Job to die, she'd probably try to do something to poison him or something. And she knows of with him and I'm feeling that her.
Yeah. She she she she she knows of Job's faithfulness because like you say, she doesn't seem to blame Job for anything. In fact, if anything, she's the only thing she's the only accusation she throws at him is you still hold fast to your integrity. So she knows him as a man of integrity. She knows him as a faithful man, a man who loves God.
And so she's saying, you still like, that's why everything you're going through, are you still going to hold on to your integrity? And I think that's that's really something we should aspire to as as as women of the of the bible, as women of faith, and as women of Christianity. I think that faithfulness, that one anothering, that sticking by, just being the friend that sticks closer than the brother, that's just standing by your friend faithfully, and just letting know that I'm here for you, and till the end of time we're in this together. Together, exactly. In a world that is so fickle and so quick to cancel people and, you know, buy you're blocked or they delete you, I think this is a really rare quality.
It is. It is. And I think, you know what, the more I read this story, right, the more I see that missus Job has this woman is also a woman of integrity. We speak so much about the integrity of Job, but his wife, in many ways, displays just about as much integrity. And I have to say that Job for me, he's one of those He chose well.
He chose a good woman. I don't think we talk enough about Job. We just need a podcast about this man. Right? Like, a whole way.
Get back. He he is Job is such a character to hold up. Right? Job is in many ways for me even a God type. They always talk about Jesus types in the Bible, but I think he displays such godly character.
I can see why God was boasting about the man. You know? And if God boasts about you guys, he don't know what's gonna happen to you. But, yeah, he deserved that boast. Right?
God was right all along. And I think, you know, missus Job, what I really love about this analysis, it looks at it from a very different angle Mhmm. Compared to what, you know, people have always thought. I like that. I feel like my mind has expanded today Mhmm.
As far as missus Job is concerned. Yeah. How about you? And and and I I, %, I agree because I think, you know, I think sometimes we look at what she says and we just focus on on that little bit that she says. But there's so much more to the woman.
There's flingfulness. There's integrity. There's love. There's just she's suffering through this with her husband. And so I know, you know, in the Bible it says, Job lost this, and Job lost that, and Job lost this.
But if the two are one as as they become in marriage, then she's lost these things too. It's not just Absolutely. Oh, it looks like her children. How many of them are they? 12 or something?
Yeah. Can you imagine? She feels that pain. And and yet she and this is this can be a very hard thing for women to do, especially wives. And so I think let's trust in the leadership of the godly husbands that God has put in our lives.
Yes. That that is a a really important point. Permission thing can be attention, especially when you feel like the man is acting against what appears to you to be common sense. What appears to you to be can't you see your suffering? I think that let's pray for that godly submission.
Yes. Godly man. That we might follow them till death do us part as Job as missus Job did for better, for worse. Yeah. And that's a that's a hard thing, and and I know even the submission words will get some women, you know, it'll get them all iffy and hot under the collar, but it's so important, and I think this story is just one that uplifts Mhmm.
That that submission to the leadership of a godly husband. Because even though her husband sort of rebukes her mildly and gently, she doesn't go off in a half. She doesn't leave him. She She doesn't go, well, stay by yourself and die and suffer the consequences of your integrity. She doesn't, you know, she doesn't divorce him.
She stays with him. Yeah. And so when they then go through the valley and they hit the mountains, something like you said, they're restored, She's with him. We don't live here for another wife. You know what?
Maybe maybe she he brings her back to her senses for that moment. Right? Because if he's lived with this good, godly man for all these years, and like you said, if the two are one, there must be they must have been in agreement about many things, the sacrifices that he makes to God, the good decisions. Because you can see a situation like Jezebel, how she she manipulates things. Right?
And she convinces her husband to do things that are not right. But missus Job here seems to be supportive of her husband's holiness. So perhaps just for that moment, right, he loses it. And when Job says, shall we only accept good things from God and not adversity? Perhaps just that one sentence brings her back to her senses.
And she's like, woah. Okay. Everyone has brought me back to my senses so many times. Yeah. This is what, you know, this is what we agreed on.
Right? Mhmm. You know, you don't know the backstory. Maybe she she was, you know, attracted to you because of the kind of man he was and she wanted to live this life. And like you said, suffering, suffering can blind us in so many ways.
And perhaps she was having a very human moment. And I think when you were talking about submission there, I was just like, wow. This is not an easy thing to do in this case. Right? This is rough where you you you're just thinking, oh, I want this to end.
But somehow, that seems to bring her back to to her senses Mhmm. And into alignment with him. And as we know, the story ends well. You know? It, you know, they have the children again.
You know, their wealth is restored. Everything is nice and sweet with Jobe and missus Jobe. But, guys, I think we we've come to the end of our wonderful conversation today. That's just about all we have. And, hopefully, anybody else who would like to, go and read about this, the book is women of the bible.
And as soon as you can get it from eBay, I think I got mine from Amazon. Mhmm. And, yeah, it's missus Job or Job's wife. We've decided to switch it out and call her. Call her.
Job's wife is +1 04. They they always say if you could meet somebody in the bible, I wanna meet this woman now, honestly. Oh, yeah. So I'll go see you then Sydney for the closing prayer. Oh, our heavenly father, we thank you so much for the reflection of humanity and human love that we see in missus Job.
We thank you that you remind us, Lord, that we will face moments of weaknesses. We thank you, Lord, of also the reminder that in those moments, we ask that you would help put people of wisdom and discernment around us. That would draw us back to our senses and, draw us back to you. Lord, we ask that you would help us in those moments where we feel weak, and we may be tempted to curse out at you. Help us, Lord, that to not sin in our anger, to not sin in our suffering, but to bear it all joyfully, Lord.
Bearing it all, knowing in hope, Lord, that, through that suffering, there's a hope and there's an end. And that end is glorious. And it is because you have defeated death, even death on the cross. Lord, we, thank you for this story that that reminds us of so much. The good, the evil, the suffering, the pain, the wealth, the health, the restoration, everything in this story, lord, just just glorifies you and speaks to your wonderful provision and and your faithfulness to those who would trust in you in good times and in bad times.
Help us, lord, to be like Job, to to put our faith in you, and help us to be like Job's wife, Lord, that we should be able to submit to the godly leadership that you've put around us, Lord. Whether that's, for those that are married and their husbands, and that godly counsel or, godly counsel from from church leaders. We ask, Lord, that you would help us, Lord, to to submit to godly leadership, where we see you reflected. Lord, we thank you for, missus Jo because we know, Lord, that her reaction was human. Thank you for helping us to see her in a different light today, to empathize with her, to walk in her shoes, but also to see that which you want us to see in her, that humanity which you have given us.
Help us to revel in that and to express those emotions, but always not causing us or our or others around us to sin. Lord, we ask that you would keep us all well and safe and healthy, Lord. Until next week. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen.
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